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Author:  Simonagain [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:58 am ]
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For American members, the kind of extreme evangelical beliefs held by the DUP are very rarely encountered outside of Ulster. In the rest of the UK that kind of protestant religion is shared by just a couple of hundred thousand people out of a population of 65 million.
The coalition that May is attempting to forge with them in order to save her premiership will give them influence that has no relationship to their numbers or to accepted social norms.

Author:  treehuggingoctopus [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:01 am ]
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daelm wrote:
May and co will actually align with these folk, at the expense of their constituents, rather than having the personal integrity to resign.


It may be more convenient for the Tories to actually keep May at the helm. Whatever the make-up of the new government, chances are those who form it will in the end be yet another Brexit casualty -- it is the new crew which will be overseeing the divorce, and thus probably seen as responsible for its conditions. May will come in handy when the chips are down, and the Conservatives find themselves in a desperate need of another scapegoat.

I suspect that fifty years ago what has happened since the referendum might have been enough to sink the Tory boat once and for all. Two Tory governments have already been wiped out, another one seems bound to follow suit. Our elites are getting cheaper by the day.

Author:  DGA [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:04 am ]
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Simonagain wrote:
For American members, the kind of extreme evangelical beliefs held by the DUP are very rarely encountered outside of Ulster. In the rest of the UK that kind of protestant religion is shared by just a couple of hundred thousand people out of a population of 65 million.
The coalition that May is attempting to forge with them in order to save her premiership will give them influence that has no relationship to their numbers or to accepted social norms.


This is related to a question I have been considering but I haven't read anything relevant on it yet:

What has May offered to the Taliban of Ulster in exchange for their support? What changes in platform, cabinet, &c? I'm asking because there is a sense that this minority government will be fragile indeed, and it is worth thinking through where the fissures may emerge.

Also, a procedural question. If May's government falls through a no-confidence vote, is another national election immanent? Or could the Queen ask the opposition party (Labour in this instance) to attempt to form a government first?

In light of treehuggingoctopus' question, is a leadership challenge in the cards for the Tories but merely postponed, or...? Any word on what the party membership (MPs and supporters) is thinking?

Author:  DGA [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:07 am ]
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is the UKIP done now? Is there any longer a meaningful difference between the Conservative Party and the UKIP?

Author:  Simonagain [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:19 am ]
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The short answer is, we don't know what she is offering yet, or what they are demanding. And given her style of leadership, we may not know for a long time, she tends not to include even her own ministers in important policy matters.
Until recently she would have locked herself away with her two closest advisors, Timothy and Hill and then emerged with the Tablets. But their resignations have been forced by party grandees who threatened a leadership battle unless they went..and she is weak and vulnerable.
I would like to see Corbyn have a go..but the maths are against him, even with a coalition, because the Scots Nats lost so many seats.
I suspect that the Tory leadership issue is merely postponed, and that only for a short time.
I wouldn't be astonished to see another general election by Autumn.
And this time with a Labour majority.

Yes Ukip appears to be moribund now. So it's an ill wind etc..

Author:  Mantrik [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:38 am ]
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Simonagain wrote:
For American members, the kind of extreme evangelical beliefs held by the DUP are very rarely encountered outside of Ulster. In the rest of the UK that kind of protestant religion is shared by just a couple of hundred thousand people out of a population of 65 million.
The coalition that May is attempting to forge with them in order to save her premiership will give them influence that has no relationship to their numbers or to accepted social norms.


From their perspective the DUP regard Corbyn as an IRA activist, or at best a sympathiser, and their motivation for supporting the Tories is almost entirely to stop him ever cobbling together a coalition. I expect them to compromise on lesser moral differences because the IRA issue trumps all others.

I expect the Tories to replace May quickly or that they will let her finish the Brexit negotiation role. Personally I think David Davies should become PM.

Author:  Simonagain [ Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:40 pm ]
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DGA wrote:
is the UKIP done now? Is there any longer a meaningful difference between the Conservative Party and the UKIP?



An interesting development. It was widely assumed that if UKip collapsed its vote would go to the Tories.

Well it has collapsed, but all the evidence suggests that those Labour voters who gravitated towards UKip have gone back to Labour. So the collapsed UKip vote in fact has split 50-50 between Labour and the Tories.

Author:  Simonagain [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:55 am ]
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The May government still totters on. No one apart possibly from David Davis and (I am not convinced that even he does), has any idea what the Brexit negociations are being predicated on. It's a mess.
There are increasing doubts being voiced across the political spectrum that Brexit will happen at all.
Which as a remoaner would delight me. But that seems too good to be true.

On it goes.... :coffee

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