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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:58 am 
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There is this popular quote by Patrul Rinpoche that he considers preliminaries more important than main practice.

In Quintessential Dzogchen, there is a quote by TUR that Patrul Rinpoche is actually referring to Dzogchen preliminaries IIRC (rushan etc). I don't have the book with me so can't confirm.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:41 am 
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I never heard him say such a thing and cannot find such a statement in Quintessential Dzogchen, not even in the chapter specifically on the Dzogchen preliminaries. Tulku Urgyen always stressed the necessity and profundity of the ngöndro, in fact in the chapter entitled "Dzogchen Key Points" (pg. 23) he states quite clearly:
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The way to approach Dzogchen practice is this: begin with the ngöndro, the preliminaries; follow that with yidam practice, for instance the recitation of the peaceful and wrathful deities; then continue with the actual training in trekchö. Later, as an enhancement of trekchö, there is togal practice. All these Dharma practices should be applied.

He then goes on to say:
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For all Dharma practice, you need preliminary steps, just like laying the foundation when you construct a house. We begin the Dzogchen path with the ngöndro and the reason is this: throughout innumerable past lives we have created immeasurable negative karma and obscurations. The ngöndro purifies every misdeed and obscuration created through our physical, verbal, and mental actions.

Later he clarifies:
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To reiterate, having thoroughly done the ngöndro, you then proceed with the development stage of the yidam deity.

Furthermore he always stressed that upon having completed a full ngöndro (100,000 of each practice plus 10%) one shouldn't stop doing it but continue to do a full set daily. He provided the example of his own guru, Samten Gyatso, who did two sets each morning: one for the Kunzang Tukthig and another for the Chetsun Nyingthig. (A full set means a minimum of 100 of each of the five practices)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:01 am 
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On page 132, under the topic "The Dzogchen Preliminaries", there's a reference to Vimalamitra:
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In the past, Vimalamitra used to practice the rushen six months out of every year on Vulture's Peak in Rajgir. He spent half the year on this practice. Attaining the rainbow body actually comes down to the preliminaries. "The preliminaries are the vital point" it is said. This is probably because all habitual patterns and obscurations are purified through the preliminaries. The Ati Yoga practices of separating samsara and nirvana are extremely powerful and purifying. The closer one gets to mind, the greater the blessings get and the more profound the teachings become.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:45 am 
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Yeah I think Mathias' quote was what I was thinking of. Thanks.


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Vimalamitra used to practice the khordey rushen six months out of
every year on Vulture's Peak at Rajgir. By doing so he was able to
manifest the rainbow body of the great transformation. You see, the
accomplishment of the rainbow body actually depends upon the
rushen practices. This is probably because they purify all the habitual
patterns and obscurations. It is said that compared to practicing the
general preliminaries, the ngondro, there is much greater blessing and
merit in applying the Anu Yoga practices of nadi, prana and bindu.
Yet, the khordey rushen is much more profound than doing a hundred
thousand of the Anu Yoga preliminaries of nadi, prana and
bindu. The Mahayoga ngondro involves great effort and a lot of
hardship for our body, speech and mind. In comparison, the practices
of nadi, prana and bindu according to Anu yoga are much swifter,
more effective and profound. Yet compared to either of these, the Ati
Yoga practices of separating samsara and nirvana are even more powerful
and purifying. The blessing gets greater and greater, not smaller
and smaller. This is because we are getting closer and closer to mind
and the closer we get to mind, the more profound the teachings.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:38 pm 
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Where is this quote from?


rikudousennin wrote:
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Vimalamitra used to practice the khordey rushen six months out of
every year on Vulture's Peak at Rajgir. By doing so he was able to
manifest the rainbow body of the great transformation. You see, the
accomplishment of the rainbow body actually depends upon the
rushen practices. This is probably because they purify all the habitual
patterns and obscurations. It is said that compared to practicing the
general preliminaries, the ngondro, there is much greater blessing and
merit in applying the Anu Yoga practices of nadi, prana and bindu.
Yet, the khordey rushen is much more profound than doing a hundred
thousand of the Anu Yoga preliminaries of nadi, prana and
bindu. The Mahayoga ngondro involves great effort and a lot of
hardship for our body, speech and mind. In comparison, the practices
of nadi, prana and bindu according to Anu yoga are much swifter,
more effective and profound. Yet compared to either of these, the Ati
Yoga practices of separating samsara and nirvana are even more powerful
and purifying. The blessing gets greater and greater, not smaller
and smaller. This is because we are getting closer and closer to mind
and the closer we get to mind, the more profound the teachings.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:29 pm 
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amanitamusc wrote:
Where is this quote from?


Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche

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