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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:31 pm 
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Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.


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Philji wrote:
Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.



I can confirm this. The source, HH Sakya Trizin, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, ad nauseam. They are Mahāyāna refuge vows, so they are taken from now until awakening is attained. One also receives the five precepts as a result of taking them. Bodhisattva vows are also included in every Vajrayāna empowerment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:41 pm 
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Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.



I can confirm this. The source, HH Sakya Trizin, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, ad nauseam. They are Mahāyāna refuge vows, so they are taken from now until awakening is attained. One also receives the five precepts as a result of taking them. Bodhisattva vows are also included in every Vajrayāna empowerment.


I wasnt aware of this, i knew that refuge and bodhisattva vows were taken. Had heard no mention of any precepts. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:01 pm 
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Philji wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.



I can confirm this. The source, HH Sakya Trizin, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, ad nauseam. They are Mahāyāna refuge vows, so they are taken from now until awakening is attained. One also receives the five precepts as a result of taking them. Bodhisattva vows are also included in every Vajrayāna empowerment.


I wasnt aware of this, i knew that refuge and bodhisattva vows were taken. Had heard no mention of any precepts. Thanks.


Whenever you take vows, precepts are always included or renewed.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:32 pm 
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Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.



I can confirm this. The source, HH Sakya Trizin, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, ad nauseam. They are Mahāyāna refuge vows, so they are taken from now until awakening is attained. One also receives the five precepts as a result of taking them. Bodhisattva vows are also included in every Vajrayāna empowerment.


I wasnt aware of this, i knew that refuge and bodhisattva vows were taken. Had heard no mention of any precepts. Thanks.


Whenever you take vows, precepts are always included or renewed.


I realize this has been discussed before but evidently some of us are unaware we are taking these precepts and vows in the context of an empowerment. Do we still receive them or the empowerment for that matter?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:49 am 
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Yan Kong wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Philji wrote:
Josef..you state quite clearly that the five precepts are automatically taken when one receives an empowerment. Can you confirm where you have heard this and for how long they are taken please.



I can confirm this. The source, HH Sakya Trizin, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, ad nauseam. They are Mahāyāna refuge vows, so they are taken from now until awakening is attained. One also receives the five precepts as a result of taking them. Bodhisattva vows are also included in every Vajrayāna empowerment.


I wasnt aware of this, i knew that refuge and bodhisattva vows were taken. Had heard no mention of any precepts. Thanks.


Whenever you take vows, precepts are always included or renewed.


I realize this has been discussed before but evidently some of us are unaware we are taking these precepts and vows in the context of an empowerment. Do we still receive them or the empowerment for that matter?


If you understood what you were saying yes, if not, no.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:42 am 
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Thanks Malcom


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